tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post2709096045620611586..comments2023-10-30T11:42:55.136+00:00Comments on THE BLOG FORMERLY KNOWN AS ******** ****, BUT WAS FORCED TO CHANGE TO KRITIKUL MAZZ!: MARTYRS (2008) - Pascal LaugierPeter Slatteryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12152523189552780664noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post-54536138423190452692012-02-22T01:26:03.784+00:002012-02-22T01:26:03.784+00:00Watched this film and I have to say it does go fur...Watched this film and I have to say it does go further than almost every other film out there in terms of psychological and physical abuse. The ending however is open to interpretation. Mine goes like this....<br />There have only been four "martyrs" since the project began in the film. However only the final martyr actually speaks and reveals whats on the "other side".<br />The real mystery is what does the martyr whisper into the lady's ear? Well there are two possibilities. <br />1- that the project is a fail. There is no life after death. There is nothing on the other side.<br /><br />2- Project is a success. Life or heaven does exist on the other side.<br /><br />We can rule out number 1 because if the project had been unsuccessful, and the lady was gutted or regretful of the heinous nature of the experiments, she would have shut it down before she killed herself. After all, she was the head of this secret organisation and could have made any decision.<br /><br />Number 2 seems highly possible because the lady has finally heard from the martyr what she had been waiting to hear for 17 years. That the project is a success. That life exists on the other side. And now she doesnt have the patience to create more martyrs only to confirm whats already been confirmed. She is so sure of life after death that she wants to experience it herself. So she asks the old man if hes ever imagined the other world. He says he hasnt. She says "Keep doubting" as she has found her answers and doesnt need to convince him or anyone else downstairs. She shoots herself.razahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03073193670343719080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post-34466225748210435762011-06-24T15:19:32.261+00:002011-06-24T15:19:32.261+00:00Well, I have just finished watching the film with ...Well, I have just finished watching the film with my wife, and we were shocked about how far did the directer go to reach this level of violence and thrill. I loved the film Vacancy that is why I searched about the writer and I found this movie. It is one of the best horror/thriller/mysterious movies that I've seen and I've seen quite a lot.<br /> *Spoiler* *Spoiler* *Spoiler* *Spoiler* <br />About the story... Well...I've been reading about secret societies and all that conspiracy stuff for a long time now and I understand the idea behind putting a person in so much pain, using torture and beating up and isolation; they by doing that try to shut down the consciousness leaving only the subconsciousness and then another reality is created in that person's mind, whether a dead girl or insects that exist only in imagination. Oddly and innovatively the writer presents the idea of the very very rare state when a unique person who is put through the same torture as the others but does not break nor create new consciousnesses or realities, but however reaches to the point between life and death...the very thin line between them. Then he/she can see what lies on the other end ,what is there after death, and lives to tell about it. It is the very old, ancient question: Which religion is right? but fortunately the writer does not go beyond that...keeping the audience baffled and shocked for he does not know the answer and cannot claim to do. And it was a perfect ending.<br />In Islam, the Qur'an indicates that when a person dies, he/she can see beyond the heavens; "Indeed you were heedless of this. Now We have removed from you, your covering, and sharp is your sight this Day." Surah Qaf (22). <br />However, I believe that the "Miss" the old lady did what she had to do because she couldn't accept the reality...couldn't handle the truth...I believe it is obvious that it comes down to two possible explanations to why did the Miss kill herself at the end...the writer answers that old question with embedded answer; there is nothing after death! that's why she killed herself out of quilt for she's been torturing all those people for no good reason...the idea behind the Martyr's look was false and there's no true religion and all doors are closed on her now...that's why she said "keep doubting" meaning it is better to not know than to know! Not having something to put her faith in is equal to death. The other possible answer is that the exact opposite; that there is an afterlife and whether it is Heaven or Hell ,at least for her, she couldn't bear being alive till she reaches there...and it is so confusing especially after what she said before she died..."keep doubting"! If it is Heaven then why not tell? and if it is Hell then why did she kill herself..she could've tried to repent in her remaining days! The end is confusing no doubt and that gives the movie its brilliance and keeps the door for interpretations open for a very long time.PARAGONOFWISDOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09800072717963285293noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post-35408951792693009632009-09-16T17:04:18.425+00:002009-09-16T17:04:18.425+00:00I watched the film as well, and i was very moved b...I watched the film as well, and i was very moved by it. But i think that the ending is justified and what happens to the old lady seems logical if you put it this way: Anna tells her the big secret if there is or is not a heaven, a God how does it look like. Maybe this is so big and so important that the human race isn't prepared for it yet, and the old lady realizes that and so in order for nobody else to know she does what she does in the end.<br /><br />@ PV - Well I think the term martyr refers(in this film) to a person that dies in the name of God, of something Holey even if it's voluntarily or not. I think that is what the film tells us. How far would we go in order to know God, to see him, to have a certance that there is a afterlife, if this was the method.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16573517848431192733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post-718920088252689042009-06-26T15:45:11.565+00:002009-06-26T15:45:11.565+00:00Martyrs are those who chose to suffer voluntarily ...Martyrs are those who chose to suffer voluntarily in order to bear witness for their faith, a cause etc. <br /><br />So, I do not see why the film is called Martyrs. <br /><br />I watched the movie on DVD and I was able to see it till the end only because I took breaks.<br /><br />Like you said there is much violence but the ideas behind the movie are pretty thin.PVhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04943143109952894018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1816019470152034279.post-49840540484802623392009-06-09T17:13:40.064+00:002009-06-09T17:13:40.064+00:00I appreciate your review completely. I watched Ma...I appreciate your review completely. I watched Martyrs this past weekend and I've found myself mulling it over and over. In fact, I went to my Blocksbuster account and deleted all future horror films from my queue. The point being "I've seen the extreme. Everything else will seem silly by comparison."<br /><br />What I appreciate about the film is that it doesn't offer any answers. Without offering any spoilers, I would say the ending perhaps indicates that the divine is available for those who have endured pain and suffering and not for those who have been its cause, such as "Mademoiselle". <br /><br />On the other hand, it could play out as some sort of S&M manifesto that pleasure (salvation) can only truly be achieved through the enduring of pain and suffering.<br /><br />Pretty weird, either way. But a brave film that renders the Saws and the Hostels of the world silly.<br /><br />As you indicated, I can't now un-watch the film, so I must deal with its aftershocks.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />PhilPhil Marshallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04474268489877693456noreply@blogger.com